beamer
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Post by beamer on Aug 4, 2011 11:16:38 GMT
I agree we don't know the reason for this accident, it may be rider error or truck driver error, but that can happen on any road, however, i disagree about it being a dangerous road, it is a challenging and difficult road for the inexperienced even the experienced, but that doesn't make it a 'dangerous road' the danger is in how your ride or drive it. Quite possibly the statistic regarding the many accidents on it involving bikes is the sheer volume of bikes and cars that use it, not because it's a 'dangerous road'.
My thoughts go the the rider and his family, i sincerely hope he recovers from this terrible accident
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Wheelnut
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Post by Wheelnut on Aug 4, 2011 11:18:25 GMT
so what you are saying is, you dont know the rd to and from redcar to middlesbrough.... am sure i do.... What's round this bend then?  |
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Post by nightingales01 on Aug 4, 2011 11:19:44 GMT
i AGREE, but i do use the rd, and i am a r1 owner,i ride it hard thats why we buy these type of bike's, at the same time we have to learn the rd, and truth be known, if you dont know the rd you are at risk of crashing or over shooting the bends, i my self do open the throttle BUT only when i can and i think its safe to, the thing is 80% of the bikers who crash weather their own fault of not are generally new older riders or just new riders..... and it is a dangerous rd if you DONT know it... nothing will change... all they will do is police it even more.. You can never, ever, know a road....... Learning to read roads not learning is safer, I have seen people go for it over the brow of an hill cos they have learnt it is a straight after, however what happens if there is a traffic jam, pedestrian, cattle or slow moving vehicles beyound that crest. Read the road, limit points etc and make sure you travel at a speed that you can stop in the distance you can clearly see, keeps you safe  my golden rule Have fun stay safe, If I hurt myself I can live with it, if I hurt someone else dont think I would cope well |
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meatey
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Post by meatey on Aug 4, 2011 11:19:57 GMT
right then a left... and a farm entrance.................... you see you splitting hairs... but either way your wrong...lol
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abb
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Post by abb on Aug 4, 2011 11:20:53 GMT
And what if today the correct answer is 'Tractor broken down in the middle of the road'
Splat - R1 bits required
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Wheelnut
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Post by Wheelnut on Aug 4, 2011 11:21:28 GMT
Quite possibly the statistic regarding the many accidents on it involving bikes is the sheer volume of bikes and cars that use it, not because it's a 'dangerous road'. It's not just that - it's also the mind set of a lot of riders when they get on that particular road. My thoughts go the the rider and his family, i sincerely hope he recovers from this terrible accident Quite. Perhaps this isn't the correct thread for this.  |
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meatey
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Post by meatey on Aug 4, 2011 11:28:06 GMT
as i stated "i my self do open the throttle BUT only when i can!! and i think its safe to,"
i do not get my knee down, and am always aware of blind corner's ....
end of the day we are our own safety person......... and every rider is diffrent!!
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Wheelnut
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Post by Wheelnut on Aug 4, 2011 11:29:14 GMT
right then a left... and a farm entrance.................... Maybe. Maybe not. And what if today the correct answer is 'Tractor broken down in the middle of the road' Splat - R1 bits required See - he gets it. And he drives a volvo for chrissakes! |
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abb
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Post by abb on Aug 4, 2011 11:31:04 GMT
Slow in, fast out. Slow in, easier to stop.
Fast in, slow out. Fast in, splat.
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meatey
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Post by meatey on Aug 4, 2011 11:36:34 GMT
Come on the who's the dummy who drives a volvo ................
tell who ever it is to get a bike lol
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abb
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Post by abb on Aug 4, 2011 11:38:39 GMT
I may have had a bike for longer than you've been alive.
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keyboardbiker
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Post by keyboardbiker on Aug 4, 2011 13:07:08 GMT
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JP
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Post by JP on Aug 4, 2011 13:43:05 GMT
hope the guy has a speedy recovery, its sad that serious points get watered down by one upping and idealistic bull shit.
thoughts go out! ride safe all
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gray2
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Post by gray2 on Aug 4, 2011 14:23:00 GMT
When are these Bikers going to learn, we often travell along that road but in the summer its full of Bikers speeding along on the wrong side of the road.I feel sorry for the poor lorry driver.Bikers should be banned from these roads.”
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WHAT A ....... THATS CAR DRIVERS 4 U BUNCH OF ....... CARS CAUSE MORE ACCIDENTS THAN BIKES AND SAYING U FEEL SORRY FOR THE LORRY DRIVER IT CLEARLY STATES THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH HIM
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meatey
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Post by meatey on Aug 4, 2011 14:27:56 GMT
When are these Bikers going to learn, we often travell along that road but in the summer its full of Bikers speeding along on the wrong side of the road.I feel sorry for the poor lorry driver.Bikers should be banned from these roads.” ^ hahaha you sound as mad as me when i read it... after reading the article in depth i bet you the guy who made that comment was a lorry driver.. |
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gray2
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Post by gray2 on Aug 4, 2011 14:35:30 GMT
people who dont have 1% knowlege of a bike and slate it like that need 2 get a fcuking grip ... taxi, bus and lorry drivers ... there all acosiated with 1 thing and i sit on it regualy  |
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Post by morphius on Aug 4, 2011 14:41:44 GMT
Dont tar everyone with the same brush fella`s, there are quite a few Lorry / Taxi drivers on here....... The swear words are uncalled for, we have youngsters here as well... |
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gray2
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Post by gray2 on Aug 4, 2011 14:49:56 GMT
u but they have biker experiance so they would slate and sorry lol just get fustrated ... ahh well speedy recovery hopefully!!
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Post by Lee on Aug 4, 2011 14:58:02 GMT
Amazing...some folk have a bad image of biker's and nothing will change it, therefore, they assume the biker is always in the wrong...I despair at times !!! if these people won't change their minds, we need to find them and give them good reason for disliking us... |
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nickw
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Post by nickw on Aug 4, 2011 15:00:32 GMT
Have to put a reply in at this stage guys...
Firstly and most importantly, i hope that this rider makes a speedy recovery, because that is first and foremost.
When we run one of our advanced programmes, our golden rules are "Never commit until you can see your exit, and your exit is clear"
In support of Wheelnut, i think what he's actually saying is that no matter how well you know a road, it's different everytime you ride it. You'll get oncoming at different places, Abb's tractor on the exit from a bend, parked vehicles at different places, pot holes developing since you last rode it, the list is endless.....
The exit rule applies to any hazard that is actual, potential or developing, whether it be a bend, a junction or an overtake...Never commit until you can see your exit is clear.
It would and is very wrong of people to judge a collision without knowing the full circumstances. Who knows how it happened at this stage, potentially, not even the Collision Investigators.
There have been comments that this road is dangerous.... That's a non starter for me. There are certain roads that make more demands on drivers and riders than others. Some present more hazards than others, which is why people should always know their own limitations and then always ride / drive within those limitations AND those of the road that they are riding.
There is a danger when we ride on roads that we know, and that is complacency. Towards the end of a ride, as you're nearing home, and you've had a great day out, your mind can wander regarding all sorts of stuff. For the last 5 or 6 miles of your ride, just roll it off, relax, but maintain your concentration.
And finally, this road is going to attract even more attention from North Yorkshire Police due to its excessive casualty rate, so please take it easy guys.
Hope this all makes sense.
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