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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 15:09:09 GMT
all bikes are different and require different oil's. i beleive if you follow what is recommended in the workshop manual is the best thing to do. in my case on an aprilia rsv it should be 15w50 semi synthetic and changed at least every 3,500 miles using a good filter ie. k&n high flow. Totally agree Dave! If it says use fully synthetic, then use fully synthetic and the recommended grade. Someone paid a lot more than you or me decide that for a living believe it or not. I would agree with those who use different brands but that's just the packaging at the end of the day. I choose to use Motul but its still 10W 60 fully synthetic. I also change oil and filter like Titus at approx 2000 miles. You pay a lot for a bike, so keep it running sweet I say  |
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Post by titus on Oct 3, 2013 6:49:34 GMT
all bikes are different and require different oil's. i beleive if you follow what is recommended in the workshop manual is the best thing to do. in my case on an aprilia rsv it should be 15w50 semi synthetic and changed at least every 3,500 miles using a good filter ie. k&n high flow. Totally agree Dave! If it says use fully synthetic, then use fully synthetic and the recommended grade. Someone paid a lot more than you or me decide that for a living believe it or not. I would agree with those who use different brands but that's just the packaging at the end of the day. I choose to use Motul but its still 10W 60 fully synthetic. I also change oil and filter like Titus at approx 2000 miles. You pay a lot for a bike, so keep it running sweet I say Best insurance I believe McClintock, the oil does get a hammering |
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2013 11:39:14 GMT
Semi synthetic is supposedly good for 10k miles, changing it at six is edging on the side of caution .
I just change mine during the winter, I'm gonna check the mileages this winter, might skip it and save a few quid this year
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Post by David on Oct 3, 2013 12:40:02 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil"Motor oil changes are usually scheduled based on the time in service or the distance that the vehicle has traveled. These are rough indications of the real factors that control when an oil change is appropriate, which include how long the oil has been run at elevated temperatures, how many heating cycles the engine has been through, and how hard the engine has worked. The vehicle distance is intended to estimate the time at high temperature, while the time in service is supposed to correlate with the number of vehicle trips and capture the number of heating cycles. Oil does not degrade significantly just sitting in a cold engine." "Time-based intervals account for the short-trip drivers who drive short distances, which build up more contaminants. Manufacturers advise to not exceed their time or distance-driven interval for a motor oil change." JASO"The Japanese Automotive Standards Organization (JASO) has created their own set of performance and quality standards for petrol engines of Japanese origin. For four-stroke gasoline engines, the JASO T904 standard is used, and is particularly relevant to motorcycle engines. The JASO T904-MA and MA2 standards are designed to distinguish oils that are approved for wet clutch use, and the JASO T904-MB standard is not suitable for wet clutch use. These standards, especially JASO-MA (for motorcycles) and JASO-FC, are designed to address oil-requirement issues not addressed by the API service categories. One element of the JASO-MA standard is a friction test designed to determine suitability for wet clutch usage. An oil that meets JASO-MA is considered appropriate for wet clutch operations. Oils marketed as motorcycle-specific will carry the JASO-MA label." API"The API oil classification structure has eliminated specific support for wet-clutch motorcycle applications in their descriptors, and API SJ and newer oils are referred to be specific to automobile and light truck use. Accordingly, motorcycle oils are subject to their own unique standards. Motorcycle oils commonly still use the obsolescent SF/SG standard."
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Post by titus on Oct 3, 2013 14:12:30 GMT
Semi synthetic is supposedly good for 10k miles, changing it at six is edging on the side of caution . I just change mine during the winter, I'm gonna check the mileages this winter, might skip it and save a few quid this year Soapy it does cause me to weep, spending money..BUT for Boris TLC, Honda says 4,000 miles so I change it at 2,000...i'm surprised you havent asked me for the oil I take out....yet |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 14:13:22 GMT
Semi synthetic is supposedly good for 10k miles, changing it at six is edging on the side of caution . I just change mine during the winter, I'm gonna check the mileages this winter, might skip it and save a few quid this year No surprise there but you haven't clicked the miles up anyway have you? Hope you don't put semi in the Mv?! |
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Post by titus on Oct 3, 2013 14:26:47 GMT
Semi synthetic is supposedly good for 10k miles, changing it at six is edging on the side of caution . I just change mine during the winter, I'm gonna check the mileages this winter, might skip it and save a few quid this year No surprise there but you haven't clicked the miles up anyway have you? Hope you don't put semi in the Mv?! If its CHEAP...he will consider it...Deffo !! |
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Post by Lee on Oct 4, 2013 8:24:09 GMT
Semi synthetic is supposedly good for 10k miles, changing it at six is edging on the side of caution . I just change mine during the winter, I'm gonna check the mileages this winter, might skip it and save a few quid this year No surprise there but you haven't clicked the miles up anyway have you? Hope you don't put semi in the Mv?! Mv s come with semi oil in then when new, it's got fully synth in it now but it's hardly moved this year. The sp1 got plenty of stick for the first half of the summer then following a rad leak the day before the Manx , got laid up . The old blade is what I'm using regularly now. Overall annual mileage is probably under 9k spread over the 3 bikes which is why I'm tempted to just clean and top up this winter. |
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Post by David on Oct 8, 2013 15:54:16 GMT
 Looks like using non-motorcycle specific engine oil could be false economy. Just done an oil & filter change on BOB's Bike and the oil removed contained deposits of non-metallic sludge. On investigation, it sounds like the oil has broken down because of it's specification. Having replaced the oil & filter, also going to use a motorcycle specific engine flush and drop the oil out after a short ride, replacing the oil filter again at the same time.  Will only use good quality motorcycle oil in the future. |
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Post by Betty Swallox on Oct 8, 2013 18:55:36 GMT
I've just done the oil and filter on the Blade and will only use recommended top quality consumables. Anything else is a false economy as far as I'm concerned.
Used a Hiflo filter and Motul 5100 10/40 semi synth oil. Just need to check it out now by taking it for a ride.
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Post by David on Oct 9, 2013 13:04:39 GMT
Thanks to Site Sponsors Tillston Motorcycles (Stockton) and Hartlepool Motorcycle Service Centre, I've been able to do an oil & filter change including engine flush using Genuine Yamaha oil & filter, plus Wurth Engine Flush/Cleaner for £30. No sludge was found in the old oil, for this price I may consider doing an oil & filter change, plus flush every 1,000 miles to keep the engine sweet. |
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Post by motorcyclewiring on Oct 29, 2013 21:17:42 GMT
Morrisons own mineral oil, 12 quid for 4 litres, my FJ had 34000 miles when i got her, its now got 52000 and its a safe bet it aint had more than 5 oil changes and 2 filters, engines a good solid strong lump with no problems.
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Post by David on Oct 30, 2013 7:05:25 GMT
Having used the Wurth Engine Flush and Cleaner, the engine oil is definately staying cleaner for longer.
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Post by David on Nov 20, 2013 13:13:19 GMT
The Morris oil is API SJ, the Castrol oil is SL, (SI and SK have been omitted). SJ and SL are both current, SM is the latest service category, it includes the performance properties of each earlier category. "If you find it necessary to mix brands of oil, use the same viscosity grade and API service category to maintain performance."www.api.org/certifications/engineoil/pubs/upload/engineoilguide_march2010.pdfThe above statement about mixing brands is interesting bearing in mind the following:- Having purchased my 2007 R1200RT from new, I have used the same oil, which the dealers use as recommended by BMW. The oil has been either BMW branded or Castrol 20W - 50 mineral. The oil type needs to be API grade SF or higher, both oils are SG grade. Most recently, BMW are now recommending using a 10W - 50 fully synthetic, SL grade oil. Had I taken my bike to the dealers, they would have changed from 20W - 50 mineral oil (SG) to 10W - 50 fully synthetic (SL). The Castrol oil has BMW Special Approval for the HP-2 Sport, the same motor as fitted to the current RT's. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 13:49:09 GMT
Think we've exhausted the oil topic now Dave.......next  |
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Post by bluesplayer on Dec 2, 2013 20:01:21 GMT
was chatting with a few boys in the cafe tonight about oil. I personally believe in mineral oil for any new engine as shards will come off. I would then change to semi synthetic at the 6k mark and possibly fully synthetic at 12k. I generally do one service per year as a matter of course so just use semi synthetic. Whats everyone elses thoughts on the use of engine oil ? My oil gets dumped every 1000 mls , oil filter every other . Im happy with that as i only do about 3500 a year anyway . I buy in bulk Motul 5100 5 ltrs tubs . Mines a little 600 cbr , it spins fast , so its cool to change frequently . My little 250 XR gets done every 600 . same stuff . |
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Post by David on Nov 19, 2014 10:09:49 GMT
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Post by Mainjetmike on Nov 19, 2014 10:54:46 GMT
About time ! Bm always were affiliated to castrol . However , catrol don't dril for oil or have a refinery . They have always used cast offs ( no pun intended ) from other oil refiners . I only ever use shell cos she'll like it . |
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Post by David on Nov 19, 2014 12:11:07 GMT
I only ever use shell cos she'll like it .  I'll drink to that! |
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Post by muzzasv on Nov 19, 2014 16:17:13 GMT
im surprised you dont ask hilary for the left over veg oil out of the fryer for your bikes lee
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