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Post by scratchnsniff24 on Jan 26, 2014 0:58:05 GMT
My mate Joe (Booya on here) linked me to a post on County Durham Bikers Facebook page.
Apparently some geezer bought an r1 with a PC5, ran it on the dyno and it got 150-ish BHP, then he binned the PC, remapped the standard ECU, now it's putting out 30bhp more than standard, and 20 more than with the PC.
Just wondering what everyone's take is as far as a Power Commander versus remapping the bikes ECU?
Kinda makes the £300 PC's an irrelevant waste of money.. Glad mine came with the bike!
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Post by booya on Jan 26, 2014 1:06:12 GMT
The main benefit of a PC over an ecu remap is you can change the map on the PC and if anything goes wrong you can just remove the PC. But if you nack your Ecu then you'll have to fork out on a new Ecu after you've spent the money on the remap.
But I don't know how likely nacking an Ecu would be by remapping it.
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Post by booya on Jan 26, 2014 1:08:10 GMT
150-ish BHP, then he binned the PC, remapped the standard ECU, now it's putting out 30bhp more than standard Oh and it was WHP... |
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Post by scratchnsniff24 on Jan 26, 2014 2:14:32 GMT
150-ish BHP, then he binned the PC, remapped the standard ECU, now it's putting out 30bhp more than standard Oh and it was WHP... Ohhh like anybody gives a shit, it's bloody numbers. Potato - Potato! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 18:52:57 GMT
Direct ECU mapping is always the better option but usually more hassle and expensive. A PComm is cheaper and easier but all it does is intercept the ECU signals and change them. This can cause the ECU to 'Fight' the Pcomm if it gets contradicting signals from sensors around the bike.
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M-L-C
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Post by M-L-C on Jan 26, 2014 19:17:12 GMT
How much did the ECU re-map cost?
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Post by scratchnsniff24 on Jan 26, 2014 19:19:41 GMT
How much did the ECU re-map cost? The bloke said £350 for the whole shebang. |
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Post by glenn on Jan 28, 2014 10:25:49 GMT
i wanted my ecu mapping but the place to get a triumph done well is in essex but even with my power commander its only 5hp down on a full triumph race bike
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Post by Milky C on Jan 28, 2014 20:23:44 GMT
i wanted my ecu mapping but the place to get a triumph done well is in essex but even with my power commander its only 5hp down on a full triumph race bike A fully specced out competition winning triumph race bike is only 5bhp up on your road going machine? |
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Post by glenn on Jan 28, 2014 21:36:21 GMT
i wanted my ecu mapping but the place to get a triumph done well is in essex but even with my power commander its only 5hp down on a full triumph race bike A fully specced out competition winning triumph race bike is only 5bhp up on your road going machine? im not sure about the ace café 675 that they run at the tt but compared to the race bikes they run in the T3 BSB support series |
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Post by scratchnsniff24 on Jan 29, 2014 0:56:24 GMT
i wanted my ecu mapping but the place to get a triumph done well is in essex but even with my power commander its only 5hp down on a full triumph race bike I can't even be chewed to go to Thirsk for a service... b*****x to Essex for 5hp  |
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Post by Betty Swallox on Jan 29, 2014 8:37:57 GMT
i wanted my ecu mapping but the place to get a triumph done well is in essex but even with my power commander its only 5hp down on a full triumph race bike I can't even be chewed to go to Thirsk for a service... b*****x to Essex for 5hp It's 5bhp down on a race spec machine. I think Glenn got a bit more than an extra 5bhp. |
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Post by Lee on Feb 25, 2014 21:33:11 GMT
Does an ECU map involve a rolling road/power measurement and waste gas analysis?
If so, it's just the same as a PC, PROVIDED of course that the fuelling instructions are delivered at the same rpm increments.
If fuelling can be altered at every 100rpm say, the power measured, along with waste gas analysis, then we can calculate and program the best settings without damaging the engine.
If we just put a chip on and give the bike 30hp but screw it's mixture and blow it up in a month then it's shite!
PC allows the engine to be tuned and made more efficient without damaging it.
That gets my vote
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Post by scratchnsniff24 on Feb 27, 2014 21:20:01 GMT
Does an ECU map involve a rolling road/power measurement and waste gas analysis? If so, it's just the same as a PC, PROVIDED of course that the fuelling instructions are delivered at the same rpm increments. If fuelling can be altered at every 100rpm say, the power measured, along with waste gas analysis, then we can calculate and program the best settings without damaging the engine. If we just put a chip on and give the bike 30hp but screw it's mixture and blow it up in a month then it's shite! PC allows the engine to be tuned and made more efficient without damaging it. That gets my vote I've had a go at changing the map on my PC, using the stock bike map off the site... It's not exactly brilliant, I'd go so far as to say it's actually a bit worse. Should really get it dyno'd but there may well be another problem with it. Was gonna do a thread on it but I'll just do it here I was coming home from work tonight, and as I pulled onto a roundabout it stalled (could be my fault, because I was cursing the car driver going round on his phone... Holding it on loudspeaker, doesn't qualify as "hands free"... and the fuelling is poor at 2-3k - the revs at which I pulled onto the junction), then it wouldn't sart again, I managed to push it to the middle and it was still really reluctant to start. Finally got going, decided to pull into a bus stop to turn it off and on again, after 3 goes it fired into life. Ran fine all the way home, then I tried it three times when I pulled onto the drive, and each time it fired perfectly straight away, no hesitation. Does this sound like a problem? Or do you think it could've just been some crap going through in the fuel? |
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Post by Milky C on Feb 27, 2014 23:18:45 GMT
Does an ECU map involve a rolling road/power measurement and waste gas analysis? If so, it's just the same as a PC, PROVIDED of course that the fuelling instructions are delivered at the same rpm increments. If fuelling can be altered at every 100rpm say, the power measured, along with waste gas analysis, then we can calculate and program the best settings without damaging the engine. If we just put a chip on and give the bike 30hp but screw it's mixture and blow it up in a month then it's shite! PC allows the engine to be tuned and made more efficient without damaging it. That gets my vote I've had a go at changing the map on my PC, using the stock bike map off the site... It's not exactly brilliant, I'd go so far as to say it's actually a bit worse. Should really get it dyno'd but there may well be another problem with it. Was gonna do a thread on it but I'll just do it here I was coming home from work tonight, and as I pulled onto a roundabout it stalled (could be my fault, because I was cursing the car driver going round on his phone... Holding it on loudspeaker, doesn't qualify as "hands free"... and the fuelling is poor at 2-3k - the revs at which I pulled onto the junction), then it wouldn't sart again, I managed to push it to the middle and it was still really reluctant to start. Finally got going, decided to pull into a bus stop to turn it off and on again, after 3 goes it fired into life. Ran fine all the way home, then I tried it three times when I pulled onto the drive, and each time it fired perfectly straight away, no hesitation. Does this sound like a problem? Or do you think it could've just been some crap going through in the fuel? Could just be a loose wire, had a similar issue on my ninja it kept cutting out, popped the seat off and one of the screws in the battery terminals had worked loose |
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Post by scratchnsniff24 on Feb 27, 2014 23:30:41 GMT
Could just be a loose wire, had a similar issue on my ninja it kept cutting out, popped the seat off and one of the screws in the battery terminals had worked loose Seems legit, it'd explain why my heated grips have suddenly died too. I'll have a look tomorrow. After we put the heated gloves on too it was barely screwing it, so that's actually quite likely. Hope that's all it is.. Can't afford to fix anything serious! Cheers, dude  |
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Post by glenn on Feb 28, 2014 20:00:21 GMT
also try disconnecting your heated grips, they might be drawing to much power off your battery
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Post by scratchnsniff24 on Feb 28, 2014 20:03:12 GMT
also try disconnecting your heated grips, they might be drawing to much power off your battery I'm not even sure where they're wired in to, I don't think they're direct to the battery (the headlight perhaps?) because when the ignition is off and they're switched on they don't draw any charge. The bike ran fine today, maybe it was just a bit of crud, or an Italian moment? |
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