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Post by mandyj on Apr 18, 2011 10:29:10 GMT
Reported the narrow minded bigot who wrote the comments blaming the biker.... So have I
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Post by JP on Apr 18, 2011 10:31:33 GMT
same
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Post by nightingales01 on Apr 18, 2011 10:48:31 GMT
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/8979390.Motorcyclist_seriously_injured_after_smash/get your complaints in guys, ere are comments chrisby33, billingham says... 9:07am Mon 18 Apr 11 Yet another power ranger... sorry i mean biker who thinks they own the road. when will these idiots learn to ride within the limits of the road and stop hurting innocent road users Yet another power ranger... sorry i mean biker who thinks they own the road. when will these idiots learn to ride within the limits of the road and stop hurting innocent road users Quote » | Report this post » morrie, Barney says... 9:54am Mon 18 Apr 11 What do you base that comment on chrisby33? Where in the article does it say it was the biker who was on the wrong side of the road?, i suppose car drivers never cut corners, always drive within the speed limit, never make mistakes and always look out for bikes. At 62 i hardly think he could be classed as a "power ranger", maybe we should hope he recovers, instead of jumping to conclussions. What do you base that comment on chrisby33? Where in the article does it say it was the biker who was on the wrong side of the road?, i suppose car drivers never cut corners, always drive within the speed limit, never make mistakes and always look out for bikes. At 62 i hardly think he could be classed as a "power ranger", maybe we should hope he recovers, instead of jumping to conclussions. Quote » | Report this post » chrisby33, billingham says... 10:12am Mon 18 Apr 11 Morrie, I base my conclusion on the facts above. 1. the guy was riding a CBR... hardly a scooter is it? 2. he was riding on the stokesley-helmsley road, a known biker hotspot. 3. the car driver was towing a caravan... so he will hardly be overtaking other road users will he. 4. the accident spot is described as being on a left hand bend... the car was on the opposite carriage way... for the bike to hit, he was going either too fast and crossed the line accidentally, or he was overtaking another car. if you read the facts, the evidence presents itself Morrie, I base my conclusion on the facts above. 1. the guy was riding a CBR... hardly a scooter is it? 2. he was riding on the stokesley-helmsley road, a known biker hotspot. 3. the car driver was towing a caravan... so he will hardly be overtaking other road users will he. 4. the accident spot is described as being on a left hand bend... the car was on the opposite carriage way... for the bike to hit, he was going either too fast and crossed the line accidentally, or he was overtaking another car. if you read the facts, the evidence presents itself Quote » | Report this post » nightingales01, middlesbrough says... 11:28am Mon 18 Apr 11 Sorry I find these comments to be very biggotted. Caravans do often have to go wide plus drivers will check their mirrors often looking behind, but I was not there cannot comment neither am I a crash investigator. Mistakes do happen. These are insensitive at a time whilst people are fighting for their health and others will be very emotional. I belong to a motorcycle forum, that promotes and is sponsored by a road safety group. I ride an extremely fast bike, but I dont use it so on public roads, I often visit area;s of beauty and twisty roads that I do not know. Just because he was on the Helmsley Road does not mean he was a power ranger, he may have read how nice it is in an article. However I have spent alot of money on post test training, do many car drivers do this. Our group, Teessidebikers.co.uk have 700 hundred members, whom also commit to charity work and support local/rural companies. We also offer to help our younger members. We ride with safe systems and shortly will endeavor to ensure that members get free first aid training, not as you may presume we need it, it is just like your insurance something you never want to use. It was an accident let some one else decide whom was wrong. Have you never held your hand up to another driver/rider to say sorry, my mistake.
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Post by jabbacraig on Apr 18, 2011 11:56:26 GMT
my post was as follows:- Come on chrisby33, at a time when someone is seriously ill you can be as narrow minded as this. If we all aired our prejudice in this way what a disrespectful bunch we would be. Also you say you base your comments on the facts, well here is a fact for you, i spend all day every day having to constantly monitor what other motorists are doing to the point where i need eyes in the back of my head and in every instance where someone makes a mistake and nearly causes a serious accident it is 99% of the time a car driver. motorcyclists in my view are just about the most situationally aware motorist i come across. oh by the way I'm a class1 hgv driver, i maneuver 44 tons of vehicle around British and european roads and have done for nearly 15 years
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Post by iconic944ss on Apr 18, 2011 12:01:11 GMT
Well done Guys - excellent posts in reply to the article.
I'm a little surprised at the less than sympathetic posts for the injured rider, I guess it depends how you view the 'facts'...
I see....
62 year old biker, a mature rider, yes - maybe 'born again & rusty' but more likely to be riding sensibly ...
From Driffield, probably does not know the roads here, to me simply exploring back roads.
He could of had a mechanical or yes, over cooked it on a bend - why it needs reporting that it was on a bend in the first place is almost incitement - the time and location were given for any witnesses to come forward.
The roads are narrow in places, is it not unreasonable that a caravan might cross the line or swing out wide.
Good luck to the guy anyway, hope its not the end of his days on a bike.
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Post by andymuza on Apr 18, 2011 13:48:59 GMT
I have left a comment had to, that guy really wound me up.
"chrisby33, what an ignorant person you are. First of all, where in the article does it state the bike rider collided with a car on the opposite lane? It doesn't, you just assume it’s the bikers fault because you are ignorant to the facts. What it does say is that it collided with a car travelling in the opposite direction.
Now let me educate you a little. "CBR" is a model of bikes from Honda which range from 125cc learner friendly machines, 400cc bikes, 600cc sports/tourers and the CBR900-1000 Sports bike. Once again your ignorance is making you assume which bike it is.
Now let me educate you some more. The left hand bend at the Laskill junction is a very sharp bend. Motorcyclist use road craft skills to negotiate left hand bends by going near to the centre line in order to see as far round the bend as possible. Now the Kia Sorento is not a small car by any stretch of the imagination and the fact it was towing a caravan would make the combination very long and large. So, the chances of the car and caravan negotiating the bend at Laskill without crossing over the centre line are very slim.
Have I educated you yet? I hope so. Unlike you I will not jump to conclusions and blame either side, what I will say is I hope the injured man makes a full recovery and the people in the car are ok."
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Post by Lee on Apr 18, 2011 13:56:33 GMT
wow this has sparked off emotion. its a very difficult one to judge without knowing all the facts. The road is notorious for speeding bikes though and thats most likely the reason why your average "joe soap" will blame the motorcycle rider everytime. I do hope the chap recovers though
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Post by skitsoscoob on Apr 18, 2011 13:58:25 GMT
I have left a comment had to, that guy really wound me up. "chrisby33, what an ignorant person you are. First of all, where in the article does it state the bike rider collided with a car on the opposite lane? It doesn't, you just assume it’s the bikers fault because you are ignorant to the facts. What it does say is that it collided with a car travelling in the opposite direction. Now let me educate you a little. "CBR" is a model of bikes from Honda which range from 125cc learner friendly machines, 400cc bikes, 600cc sports/tourers and the CBR900-1000 Sports bike. Once again your ignorance is making you assume which bike it is. Now let me educate you some more. The left hand bend at the Laskill junction is a very sharp bend. Motorcyclist use road craft skills to negotiate left hand bends by going near to the centre line in order to see as far round the bend as possible. Now the Kia Sorento is not a small car by any stretch of the imagination and the fact it was towing a caravan would make the combination very long and large. So, the chances of the car and caravan negotiating the bend at Laskill without crossing over the centre line are very slim. Have I educated you yet? I hope so. Unlike you I will not jump to conclusions and blame either side, what I will say is I hope the injured man makes a full recovery and the people in the car are ok." well said mate, just what i was going to write, but once again you had to interfere
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Post by andymuza on Apr 18, 2011 14:03:46 GMT
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Post by skitsoscoob on Apr 18, 2011 14:08:34 GMT
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Post by nightingales01 on Apr 18, 2011 14:32:37 GMT
rubing my crack, cmon fess up, whom put it on rubin mycrack, billingham says... 3:26pm Mon 18 Apr 11 obviosly a biker hating homo who wears leather chaps with no pants on and flagalates himself with wet nettles obviously our complaints not been heard
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Post by garbo1986 on Apr 18, 2011 15:32:06 GMT
I was held up for about 5 mins literally 100yards from the car and caravan were involved. In that time i had a good view of where the car and caravan ended up and as it stands the car was quite away over the centre line im not saying it was when the collision occured. As a hgv class one driver and knowing how sharp the right hand bend was for the car it would be very hard not to cross the line thats just my opinon however seeing the couple who were involved they were heart broken .. Hope the guy pulls through non of us ride not to come home. I do believe theres plans to make the road double white lines ??
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Post by gordon1 on Apr 18, 2011 15:41:29 GMT
4x4s pulling caravans do take up a bit of room mind, theres probably about 3.5 tonnes and nearly 40ft of car and caravan to maneuver.
Where abouts exactly did the accident happen, I cant picture the location?
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Post by garbo1986 on Apr 18, 2011 15:50:45 GMT
Knolls lane Gordon just google earthed it that tight right hander im sure thats it.
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Post by andymuza on Apr 18, 2011 16:09:52 GMT
Knolls lane Gordon just google earthed it that tight right hander im sure thats it. Yep thats the place.
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Post by MUD on Apr 18, 2011 16:17:07 GMT
Some awesome comments guys.....I realy hope the guy pulls through.
On a side note....I have noticed a lot of farmers etc cutting hedgebacks and putting bloody thorns everywhere....nothing to say the guy didnt have a problem with his bike.
Fingers crossed for ya pal.
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Post by gordon1 on Apr 18, 2011 16:18:43 GMT
Yeah, I've got it now. Its the first of the 2 tight left handers before you start climbing the bank isn't it? Thats a nasty corner for both cars and bikes. I don't think people should speculate what happened before they hear the facts. The only facts we have are that a bike has hit a car, no doubt we will hear more in the future. Can you remember when that bike caused another biker to hit a car head on, on the Helmsley road? That wasn't down to either of the injured parties.
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Post by gipsykev on Apr 18, 2011 16:29:02 GMT
some realy good feadback and comments on this thread, first of all my prayers go out for all involved , the car driver and passenger and the biker , it seems typical and sterio typed that its the bikers fault , but we cant be judge and jury , we have the best crash investigators in the world and im sure they will be working very hard to acertain the cause of the accident and who if anybody was to blame for it, i did hear this morning from a source in james cook the air ambulance was flown in and and an emergency operation was needed to amlitate a limb , hopefully its not the biker involved , i wanted to reply to the echo article but im affraid i would say to much and probably get into trouble for doing so,
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Post by garbo1986 on Apr 18, 2011 16:33:45 GMT
The mad thing is im sat there waiting for ppl to let me go through the diversion and you can here bikes screaming in the back ground running down the hill...The Police officer i was chatting to was going ape and noted them for a massive bollocking i think.
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Post by gordon1 on Apr 18, 2011 16:53:26 GMT
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